Did God Speak To This Six Year Old Boy? - From Rev. Charles R. Sustar

Per A Friend's Request,
Here is one of the messages I received from my friend Servant Leung in China.

I thought it very significant that the boy’s name who gave this account of an amazing vision he had that suggests that the USA may be attacked by China in 2011 is Jordan, for we can only enter the Promised Land after we too have passed through and crossed the Jordan, which allegorically relates to our death via baptism, just as entering the Promised Land signifies our re-birth in Christ’s image.

In the vision, Jordan shares many things about our new life in Heaven and on Earth as well, which is so very heartening and joyful to think about.

Maranatha!

Love and Blessings,
Helena



Re: A Dire Spiritual Warning and November 2010 Prayer Alert

Dear Helena

For your information.

Did God Speak To This Six Year Old Boy?
Rev. Charles R. Sustar

One day last spring, Joan and I were having lunch with our friends Chester and Jean Sharpe. Chester told us of a family he knew that had an unusual thing happen. When he begin to relate the event, I asked him to send the testimony to me, which he did about a week later. It was so thrilling that I wanted to share it with everyone possible! With permission, I do so now.

Jordan is a six-year-old boy who lives here in Phoenix, Arizona. I am told that he is shy and retiring-not outgoing (that is the thing that makes this so astounding). To protect him from those who would not have his best interest at heart, I will not use his last name. You may know that this is the true testimony just as his mother heard and wrote it.


Here is the testimony: April 20, 2008

Jordan and God

We went to visit my grandparents (Jordan’s great grandparents) for lunch with the family. On the way home in the car with my husband, my mother, my son Jordan(6yrs old), and my youngest son (3 yrs old). Jordan started talking about God¡¬

*Testimony*

First he said which got all of our attention. This planet will be destroyed. In2011 some things will start happening, like what I asked. There will be bombs. The armies are going to throw bombs at us, but we have things that can block bombs in the air and throw them back. Who is going to throw bombs at us I asked, China he replied. How does he even know anything about China, he is only 6 we thought? (Is he predicting a war with China in 2011?). There will be lots of volcanoes with fire coming out, floods and those twisting things, ¬what are they called mommy? I replied, Tornados? Yes, tornados, he said.

At this point we all had goose bumps and were in awe! Then Jordan said those bugs that look like ants, there will be lots of them everywhere but they will grow big and have faces. (Is he talking about the plague of the locust in the bible, but he doesn’t know what locusts are called? If you think about it, locusts enlarged kind of do look like ants) We will be scared he said, but God says it’s ok and not to be scared. He continued there will be a lion with lots of horns and fire coming out of his mouth. People will disappear and people left will be like huh? (Dismayed). There will be clones too. Clones? I said, Do you even know what clones are Jordan? Yes, he said when there is more than one of the same people. Who will be the people that are clones, I asked? Everyone, he said, after we die and go to heaven, there will be clones of all of us there and you will see and it will walk inside of your body and then there will be only one of you. (I wonder if he is talking about the Holy Spirit?)

Jordan continued saying, after the world is destroyed, the clouds will come down to the earth and God will re-grow everything on earth. God will say “trees grow” and they will grow. He will just tell just tell everything to grow back again and they listen. Everything will be new again. And God will live with us on earth. What happens to all the bad people asked his grandma? They will go with the monsters, he said. And the other good people that are already dead will open their eyes and they will Wake up, there skin will re-grow and they will getup and go to Jesus. What will heaven look like we asked?

In heaven the streets are made of gold and they are slippery (probably meaning shiny we thought). There are lots of flowers of all colors, lots of yellow flowers. There are lots of butterflies and ladybugs. Grandma asked, are we all going to live in our own houses in Heaven? Yes Jordan answered but all the houses will be connected together. There are no bad people there. Everybody is happy. The animals go to heaven too and they talk. The lions are nice. The goats are nice. The goats will sleep with the lions. Do we eat there? asked grandma. ¬Yes there is lot of food, and you can have anything you want. The trees talk too, if you want an apple all you have to do is close your eyes and ask for a apple and an apple will appear on the tree.

Anything you want in heaven, you just close your eyes and think of it and you will have it. We’re going to be invisible but not to each other. The other people who are not in heaven can’t see us. It’s like magic. Who tells you these things Jordan I asked, I just know he replied. Does God talk to you and show you these things his grandma asked, Yes, he said. He tells me I can make wishes but not for myself ¬only for other people. Your not suppose to wish for yourself. We all asked one by one are we going to heaven and he replied, if you’re good.

Was God talking through him to testify to us, did he have the Holy Spirit upon him? We do recall one thing later that night. Before eating lunch at my grandparent’s house we all formed a circle and held hands to say a prayer and my husband and me noticed Jordan went limp and fell in front of me on the ground. He then jumped up confused and got back into the circle. Maybe the Holy Ghost touched him then, or maybe that was just Coincidence. But we do believe that God was using my son to let us know that he is real and he is coming back for his people.

Well, Saint of God, what do you think about that? Did God speak to and thru this six-year-old boy?

Let’s review some of what he said: China Will Bomb Us In 2011

I gave copies of this to our congregation. A member sent a copy to John Hagee Ministries in San Antonia, Texas. A staff member read it and replied in writing that this will happen at that time during World War III.

The bible teaches us that the Earth will be destroyed by Fire. The book of Revelation says that God will cleanse the Earth by Fire and create a beautiful new Earth.

Exciting days are here!!! Jesus is Coming SOON!!!

If you feel that God Spoke to Jordan, feel free to make copies of this testimony and circulate them, especially to sinners, lost friends and loved ones.

God Speaks--- Will We Listen
Rev. Charles R. Sustar

Emmanuel
Servant Leung

The Rapture and the Second Coming:
An Important Distinction

by Thomas Ice
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/tt10.html


In previous issues we have given a biblical basis or foundation for pretribulationism. In this issues I will begin by laying out specific biblical evidence for the pre-trib rapture. The first place to start is with the biblical notion that the rapture of the church is distinct from Christ's second coming to the earth.

John Feinberg notes that distinguishing between the rapture and second coming is important in establishing pretribulationism against the non-pre-trib claim that the Bible does not teach such a view.

The pretribulationist must show that there is enough dissimilarity between clear rapture and clear second advent passages as to warrant the claim that the two kinds of passages could be speaking about two events which could occur at different times. The pretribulationist does not have to prove at this point . . . that the two events must occur at different times, but only that the exegetical data from rapture and second advent passages do not make it impossible for the events to occur at different times. If he can do that, the pretribulationist has shown that his view is not impossible. And, he has answered the posttribulationist's strongest line of evidence.1

A key factor in understanding the New Testament's teaching of the pretribulational rapture revolves around the fact that two future comings of Christ are presented. The first coming is the catching up into the clouds of the church before the seven-year tribulation and the second coming occurs at the end of the tribulation when Christ returns to the earth to begin His 1,000 year kingdom. Anyone desirous of insight into the biblical teaching of the rapture and second advent must study and decide whether Scripture speaks of one or two future events.


FRAMING THE ISSUE

Posttribulationists usually contend that if the rapture and the second coming are two distinct events, separated by about seven years, then there ought to be at least one passage in Scripture which clearly teaches this. However, the Bible does not always teach God's truth in accordance with our preconceived notions or in such a way that answers directly all of our questions. For example, a Unitarian could design a similar kind of question regarding the Trinity. "Where is at least one passage in Scripture which clearly says that the Persons of the Godhead are distinct?" We who believe the Trinity reply that the Bible teaches the Trinity but in a different way.

Many important biblical doctrines are not given to us directly from a single verse, we often need to harmonize passages into systematic conclusions. Some truths are directly stated in the Bible, such as the deity of Christ (John 1:1, Titus 2:13). But doctrines like the Trinity and the incarnate nature of Christ are the product of biblical harmonization. Taking into account all biblical texts, orthodox theologians, over time, recognized that God is a Trinity and that Christ is the God-Man. Similarly, a systematic consideration of all biblical passages reveals that Scripture teaches two future comings.

Posttribulationists often contend that the pre-trib position is built merely built upon an assumption that certain verses 'make sense' if and only if the pre-trib model of the rapture is assumed to be correct. However, they often fail to make it clear to their readers that they are just as dependent upon assumptions as they say pre-tribers are. Their error stems from failure to observe actual biblical distinctions.

For example, Christ's ministry has two phases which revolve around His two comings. Phase one took place at Christ's first coming when He came in humiliation to suffer. Phase two will begin at Christ's second coming when He will reign on earth in power and glory. Failure to distinguish these two phases was a key factor in Israel's rejection of Jesus as Messiah at His first coming. In the same way, failure to see clear distinctions between the rapture and second advent lead many to a misinterpretation of God's future plan.


THE NATURE OF THE RAPTURE

The rapture is most clearly presented in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In verse 17 the English phrase "caught up" translates the Greek word "harpázô," which means "to seize upon with force" or "to snatch up." Latin translators of the Bible used the word "rapere," the root of the English term "rapture." At the rapture living believers will be "caught up" in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment of time.

The rapture is characterized in the Bible as a "translation coming" (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thes. 4:15-17) in which Christ comes for His church. The second advent is Christ returning with His saints, descending from heaven to establish His earthly kingdom (Zech. 14:4-5; Mat. 24:27-31). Ed Hindson observes:

The rapture (or "translation") of the church is often paralleled to the "raptures" of Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2: 12). In each case, the individual disappeared or was caught up into-heaven. At His ascension, our Lord Himself was "taken up" into heaven (Acts 1:9). The biblical description of the rapture involves both the resurrection of deceased believers and the translation of living believers into the air to meet the Lord (1 Thess. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:51 52).2

Differences between the two events are harmonized naturally by the pre-trib position, while other views are not able to account comfortably for such distinctions. (Notice the graphic on page four that lists passages that speak of the rapture and those referring to the second coming.)


RAPTURE AND SECOND COMING CONTRASTS

Rapture/Translation ------- 2nd Coming/ Estab. Kingdom

__________________________________________

1 Translation of all believers - 1 No translation at all

2 Translated saints go to ----- 2 Translated saints return to
- heaven ----------------------------- earth

3 Earth not judged ------------- 3 Earth judged & righteous-
------------------------------------- ness established

4 Imminent, any-moment ----- 4 Follows definite predicted
- signless -------------------------- signs including tribulation

5 Not in the Old Testament -- 5 Predicted often in Old
-------------------------------------- Testament

6 Believers only ----------- 6 Affects all men

7 Before the day of wrath --- 7 Concluding the day of
---------------------------------------- wrath

8 No reference to Satan ---- 8 Satan bound

9 Christ comes for His own --- 9 Christ comes with His own

10 He comes in the air --- 10 He comes to the earth

11 He claims His bride --- 11 He comes with His bride

12 Only His own see Him --- 12 Every eye shall see Him

13 Tribulation begins --- 13 Millennial Kingdom begins


John Walvoord concludes that these "contrasts should make it evident that the translation of the church is an event quite different in character and time from the return of the Lord to establish His kingdom, and confirms the conclusion that the translation takes place before the tribulation."3


ADDITIONAL DIFFERANCES

Paul speaks of the rapture as a "mystery" (1 Cor. 15:51-54), that is a truth not revealed until its disclosure by the apostles (Col. 1:26), making it a separate event, while the second coming was predicted in the Old Testament (Dan. 12:1-3; Zech. 12:10; 14:4).

The movement for the believer at the rapture is from earth to heaven, while it is from heaven to earth at the second advent. At the rapture, the Lord comes for his saints (1 Thess. 4:16), while at the second coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thess. 3:13). At the rapture, the Lord comes only for believers, but His return to the earth will impact all people. The rapture is a translation/resurrection event where the Lord takes believers "to the Father's house" in heaven (John 14:3), while at the second coming believers return from heaven to the earth (Matt. 24:30). Hindson says, "The different aspects of our Lord's return are clearly delineated in the scriptures themselves. The only real issue in the eschatological debate is the time interval between them."4


POST-TRIB PROBLEMS

One of the strengths of the pre-trib position is that it is better able to harmonize the many events of end-time prophecy because of its distinction between the rapture and the second coming. Normally, posttribulationists do not even attempt to answers such objections and the few that try struggle with the biblical text. Yet, pretribulationists do not encounter difficulties in providing answers. What are some post-trib problems?

First, posttribulationism requires that the church will be present during the 70th week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27) even though it was absent from the first 69. This is in spite of the fact that Daniel 9:24 says that all 70 weeks are for Israel. Pretribulationism is not in conflict with this passage, as is posttribulationism, since the church departs before the beginning of the seven-year period.

Second, posttribulationism must deny the New Testament teaching of imminency-that Christ could come at any-moment. Pretribulationism does not have a problem with these New Testament passages, since they believe that no signs must precede the rapture.

Third, premillennial posttribulationism has no answer to their problem of who will populate the millennium if the rapture and second coming occur at the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the rapture and all unbelievers judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium. The pre-trib viewpoint does not have a problem at this point.

Fourth, posttribulationism is not able to explain the sheep and goats judgment after the second coming in Matthew 25:31-46. As in the previous problem, how would there be any believers in mortal bodies, if they were raptured at the second coming, who would be available to enter into Christ's kingdom? Pretribulationism does not have such a problem.

Fifth, since Revelation 19:7-8 indicates that the church, Christ's Bride, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Rev. 19:14) before the second coming, how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on earth awaiting Christ's Advent? If the rapture of the church takes place at the second coming, then how does the Bride (i.e., the church) also come with Christ at His return? There would not be sufficient time for this to happen within a posttribulational sequence, but the pre-trib position has no such problem.


CONCLUSION

The distinctions between Christ's coming in the air to rapture His church are too great to be reduced into a single coming at the end of the tribulation. These biblical distinctions provide a strong basis for the pre-trib rapture teaching.


ENDNOTES

1 John S. Feinberg, "Arguing for the Rapture: Who Must Prove What and How" in Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, editors When The Trumpet Sounds (Eugene, Org.: Harvest House Publishers, forthcoming July 1995).

2 Edward E. Hindson, "The Rapture and the Return: Two Aspects of Christ's Coming" in Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, editors When The Trumpet Sounds (Eugene, Org.: Harvest House Publishers, forthcoming July 1995).

3 The quotation and the first six contrasts in the graphic above are taken from John F. Walvoord, The Return of the Lord (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1955), 87-88.

4 Hindson, Ibid.