Thursday, December 10, 2015

CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE JEWISH BOY NATAN'S VISION CONCERNING THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG


On December 8th, 2015, I spent the afternoon watching and analyzing the YouTube video with English subtitles that shows a Jewish boy named Natan, who said that he went to heaven and saw Israel's future. This video message has been causing a good deal of speculation and discussion among believers right now, and many are discussing whether or not it could be true. Due to the boy's reference to Obama as Prince Gog of Magog, many of the people who already think that US President Obama is the biblical Antichrist find the boy's testimony to be plausible. However, I am still skeptical of this claim. In fact, there are many compelling reasons why I do not think Obama is Gog, but just another antichrist in a long line of antichrists that have led the world over the past 2000 years, and that have become especially prominent in the last 100 or so years.

First of all, President Obama is NOT universally popular, which the Antichrist is going to be. There is a huge faction in the USA and abroad that does not like Obama or his policies, and that alone is a major strike against him being the biblical Antichrist, who will be so well-liked that he will fool the world into thinking he is the Messiah that they have been looking for, and who will convince the world to worship him. Obama does not have that kind of following right now, and I doubt that he ever will. In fact, the only people who see Obama as any kind of Messiah are antichristians and Muslim sympathizers in the USA and abroad that follow the teachings of Malcom X, the Nation of Islam's Louis Farrakhan, and Mohammed, the false prophet of Allah, the Moon god of hate.

Also, although much of thew world believes that the Antichrist will be a Muslim's expected end-time Mahdi, I beg to differ. The Prince of Gog described in the prophetic Book of Ezekiel, Chapters 38 and 39 is going to be a leader of all of Magog (which includes Russia, and possibly China), as well as the leader of many Middle Eastern nations that hate Israel - and NOT just the tiny nation of Israel, but the United States as a type of Israel as well. I will shed more light on this belief of mine a bit later in this article.

Another reason I find the boy Natan's vision suspect is because he appears to have been heavily coached by the Rabbi sitting next to him in the video where he relates his vision. But first and foremost, the boy's testimony does not agree with the prophecies in the Bible about Israel in the Last Days. For this reason, I found the boy's recollections disturbing. For purposes of this discussion, I've linked to the video testimony on YouTube below so that you can watch it also - either before or after reading this article:

Rabbi Rami Levy and 15 year Old 
Natan (English Subtitles) Testimony 
About The End of Days Coming Soon

The problems that I had with the story that the boy named Natan was telling in this video testimony makes me believe that the Jewish boy did not receive an authentic Word from God through the Holy Spirit. Here are the major problems that I saw with it:

First of all, the Jewish boy who had this out of body or near death experience assumed that the Messiah the Jews are hoping for is alive on the Earth today, and will appear when it is time. This contradicts the truth that believers in Christ know about our Messiah, Who is not on the Earth today except in people's hearts through the Holy Spirit. Believers also know that Christ is coming again from Heaven when it is time - just as Scripture says.

Secondly, the being of light that greeted the Jewish boy when he entered what appeared to be Heaven or Abraham's Bosom did not identify himself. This is strange, since it would have been a perfect time to introduce himself as his real Messiah, or a representative of that Messiah, Who is the Light of the World.

Thirdly, while up in the heavenly places in his out-of-body vision, Natan was shown that the mitzvah or good deed of studying Torah was the lowest tier of virtue in Heaven. However, the fact that this point was made without any revelation that Yahshua is the Messiah, and the Word of God or the Torah made flesh is highly disturbing. This is because I firmly believe that the Jews who do not follow Yahshua or Jesus are not truly saved until they are converted to the truth, which is that Yahshua is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father God called Yahweh except through Yahshua or Jesus, as stated in John 14:6. Due to the massive importance of this teaching as regards salvation, God the Father surely would have wanted to convey this to the Jewish boy if he had been having an authentic visionary experience from God.

Also in regard to this Jewish boy's vision, Natan speaks of different levels of initiation or understanding in Heaven that are like tiers of greater and great knowledge, and that not everyone in Heaven understands everything the same way, or is at the same level of knowledge. This implies that there is a class system in Heaven, and this goes against Scripture, which tells us that - though now we see things darkly, as in a mirror, we will one day see God face to face, and understand all things. We are also told that we are all one body in Christ, and none of us is to be more highly regarded than another except in matters of guidance and authority. In this regard, Yahshua's Parables such as the Parable of the Talents and the Parable of the Minahs clearly indicate that He will choose leaders from among all of those who worship Him to rule with Christ during the Millennial Kingdom.

Obama depicted as an Egyptian Pharaoh
Connected to the King of the South
Finally, the boy identified Obama as Gog, when there is no way possible that Obama could be Prince Gog, the leader of Magog because he is not the King of the North, but the King of the South through his actions in aiding the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, where he was once depicted as a Pharaoh on mugs and t-shirts during his visit to Egypt early on in his Presidency. I believe this was surely a prophetic sign from God as to Obama's true identity - especially in light of his sympathetic actions toward Muslims, his upbringing in Muslim-controlled nations, and his early education in Muslim-controlled schools.

This is especially clear to me because, while very few people are fooled by Obama's pretense at being a Christian anymore, Putin is trying hard to convince and fool the world into thinking that - since he purportedly loves Israel and the Jews, and supports Orthodox Christianity (which, like Roman Catholicism, is not truly biblical Christianity) - that he could be the Savior that the Old-School Churches are seeking, as well as the Messiah of Israel that the Jews have been waiting for over the millenia.

This makes sense since Russia is situated to the far North of Israel, making Putin a perfect representative of the King of the North spoken of in the Bible's Book of Daniel. According to the Prophet Daniel, the King of the North will win a major war against the King of the South, who likely signifies Obama as one of the leaders of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, aka NATO. According to the Prophesied War described in the Book of Ezekiel, Chapters 38 and 39, Russia or Magog will form an alliance with most of the Middle East outside of Israel. This is partly true of Russia, which is allied with Iran and Syria. Like Russia, Syria and Iran are also to the North of Israel.

According to Ezekiel 38 and 39, the Prince of Gog or King of the North will stage an invasion of Israel. However, when Scripture mentions Israel in future prophecies - this likely includes both branches of people within the nation called Israel. These branches are the Tribe or House of Judah or the Jews, and the House or Tribe of Ephraim, which is made up of former Gentiles who are now born-again believers in Yahshua or Jesus. Fascinatingly, since there are more Jews living in the USA than in Israel or any other nation right now, and there are also more devoted Christians in the USA than anywhere else, this also means that the USA can be viewed as a part of "Israel". In fact, the USA could well be the Israel being mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 because, unlike the tiny Mid-East nation of Israel, which has a large wall separating Palestinian-held Gaza from Israel, the USA has huge stretches of largely unprotected and indefensible borders. This suggests that the land of unwalled villages mentioned in Ezekiel 38 is the nation called the United States, and NOT the nation called Israel:
~*~ Ezekiel 38:10-13 ~*~ “Thus says the Lord God: “On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: 11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’— 12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land. 13 Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, ‘Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?’”’
An important fact in regard to the prophetic scenario that I am painting here is that there are many conspiracy reports that President Obama may be acting in partnership with Russian President Putin behind the scenes to achieve their mutual desire, which is the destruction of the United States. If so, it is God Almighty - the God of all Israel - Who will step in and defend the remnant of godly people still living in the United States when this happens - confusing and destroying the invading armies with their own weapons on the mountains near to both coastlines of the United States, and also found in the north between Israel and Iraq - as stated in Ezekiel 39:1-6:
~*~ Ezekiel 39:1-6 ~*~ “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,” says the Lord God. 6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”
The only part of the Jewish boy Natan's testimony in the video that I know is true from other prophetic Scriptures in the Bible such as Psalm 89 is the fact that the tiny nation of Israel will be surrounded by enemy armies, and it will be attacked, potentially killing many Israelis. Personally, I think this could happen in tandem with a massive Russian war strike on the United States - possibly with Chinese and/or Radical Islamic assistance. The reason I suspect this is because the many nations surrounding Israel that hate the Jewish people, but are pretending to view ISIS and other Radical Islamic Terrorist groups as a threat, may seize the opportunity to attack Israel and the United States when their biggest and strongest western ally is incapable of assisting or aiding Israel in her defense. In fact, this would make sense of the inclusion of the Middle Eastern nations listed as working together with Magog  or the Russians to invade and plunder both the USA and Israel. If this is news to you, or you find this unbelievable, please read my articles that I've linked to below the closing of this article. They will help you to understand the sound reasoning behind my conclusions.

After analyzing the Jewish boy's video testimony with my own knowledge of the prophetic subject matter, and finding so much in it that doesn't agree with the yet future prophecies in Scripture regarding the War of Gog and Magog, the Psalm 89 war, and the battle between the Kings of the North and the South, I do not trust it, and I do not think anyone else should either. Due to the seriousness of this dubious vision's incorrect implications, I hope you will share my analysis of it with others so that they can analyze it in reference to Scripture as well, and form their own conclusions.

Yours in Christ,
Helena Lehman of
The Pillar of Enoch Ministry
Ministry Web Site: http://pillar-of-enoch.com

Important Related Ministry Articles 
For Essential Further Reading:


WHY RUSSIA IS MAGOG, AND PUTIN
MAY BE THE KING OF THE NORTH


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15 comments:

  1. I read your opinion but I don't believe in it. but i respect you though. thanks.

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  2. I appreciate your efforts on this topic, but in my humble opinion there is nothing to analyze! Why do I say that? Because just like Colton Burpo, Mary C. Neal, Alex Malarkey, ad infinitum, ad nauseam, our young Nathan didn't get anywhere *near* heaven.
    I say this based on the authority of God's Word, and if you are the least bit curious why I can state this so emphatically, take a few minutes to read an article I wrote about a year ago on the subject:
    http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2015/1502-next-stop.htm
    God bless.

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    1. Although I was given no way to contact the person who submitted this comment, I did finally just read the entire lengthy article he linked to, and tend to agree with him on many counts. In fact, I do think there is a demonic element to many out-of-body, near death experiences, especially when the person talking about their NDE makes statements that totally disagree with Scripture, just as the Jewish boy Natan or Nathan did, and many people claiming to be Christians have done in their stories about their alleged trips to Heaven.

      However, in that article at the end, the author of the above comment made a big error by saying that believers are going to spend eternity "in heaven". This shows his ignorance of what Scripture actually says, which is that we will be spending eternity NOT in Heaven, but on the Earth, and on the New Earth, where Christ will also dwell for eternity. In fact, the only time we will spend in Heaven is after our death, when we will go to be with Christ, or after the Rapture, when we will go to a heavenly abode with Christ to be protected from the Wrath of God until we return with Him to fight the Battle of Armageddon.

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    2. My understanding is that "Heaven" will be brought to earth, when the earth is renewed to it's original "heavenly" state. I didn't read the aforementioned article or comments, only your reply, thus my comment is only to your reply--specifically in stating the comment made is in "error". Perhaps it's not in error, simply a misunderstanding of meaning.

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    3. Dear Gina,

      Many are familiar with the words of comfort spoken at funerals about how we go to "Heaven" to be with Christ when we die. This is true for believers, but not for everyone else. There is also a common error being promulgated that believers in Christ will spend eternity in "Heaven" with Him. But this is an error, and it can only be explained away as a misunderstanding by those who are ignorant of what the Bible says.

      Yes, the Bible says that believers who die before the Rapture go to Heaven to be with Christ (Luke 23:40-43; 2 Corinthians 5:7-9). It also says that they will go there after the Rapture too (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). But it is not going to be their permanent address. The everlasting home of all saved humanity is - and always was meant to be - the Earth, and its future counterpart, the New Earth (Revelation 20:1-6, 21:1-6).

      Nonetheless, all of us saints will likely have free access to Heaven and the New Heaven after we are resurrected into everlasting life because we will be like the angels in Heaven. But the City of God called the New Jerusalem, which is to be our forever home, will come down out of the New Heaven to rest on the New Earth forever at the end of time as we know it (Revelation 21:1-6).

      I think it's important to point this out to people who believe this error because many of them are also under the mistaken impression that the Earth is going to be permanently destroyed one day, and won't exist anymore. However, the Word of God says that the Earth will remain forever (Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5, 37:29).

      So, even though the Earth may be cleansed and remolded with fire (2 Peter 3:10), God definitely intends to replace it with a new and better, corruption-free model. That one will be fit to last throughout eternity as the habitation of the righteous living in the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:9-27).

      Your Sister In Yahshua,
      Helena Lehman

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  3. Jesus said, "There will be wars and rumors of wars but the end is not yet." The indication is that when there is a period of peace, and not war will he who is called the antichrist be revealed. Only after 3.5 years of the antichrist being in power will the real trouble for Israel start. It is impossible to reconcile this Biblical prophecy with that Jewish boy's prediction of the very near future earthly events. i.e. those regarding the war that exists today and blossoms into WWIII, etc.

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  4. This vision was definitely authentic. Parts may have been tainted by as you said the Rabbis "coaching". The boy was not clear on whether the Messiah was in human form on the earth as you are assuming though. Also remember that after his presidency Obama will be going for the Secretary General seat in the UN which will validate this boys vision even further. I was told through the Holy Spirit that Obama too was "Hitler" or had the same spirit as Hitler did, Beezelbub or antichrist spirit. I believe we will initiate WW3 or Armageddon.

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    1. Although the vision may have been authentic, the source was not of God. I say this because it carries too many contradictions to what the New Testament tells us about the nature of those who are born-again, as opposed to someone under the Law.

      Those who are born again by the Spirit of God do not rely on their good works to get brownie points, or advancements in their status before the eyes of God. They rely on their faith, and in the Holy Spirit, who helps them to remain faithful, and to live in obedience to God's Moral Commandments.

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  5. Look Folks, This prophecy by Natan and his Jewish Rabbi mentor are not going to happen!!! PERIOD!..Just wait to the end of this year...I'll be very surprised if this post is published as this site seems to be another Christian or Jewish Armageddon Woo-Woo website/article.

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    1. Hi Gordon. No, this is NOT a "Woo-Woo Website", whatever that means. Also, if you actually read my article above, I state why I don't think the Jewish boy's vision is going to happen, so I agree with you. I don't think it's going to happen they way Nathan described it, anyway. To read my views on what may be about to transpire, and what is transpiring right now in Bible Prophecy, read the articles that I linked to at the end of the above article. God bless.

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  6. If you keep going North of Israel past the North Pole you run straight into Alaska. The king of the North could be Obama, especially if he becomes the UN Secretary General.

    Plus it's conceivable that God gives people with near-death experiences visions, the person may not have literally visited these places but merely received visions about them. In this case God conceivably gives visions based on what the individual relates to, and may not be completely indicative of real heaven experience. Furthermore the interpretation of those visions can also be tainted by the Rabbi.

    Anyway, for an alternative view on prophecy and this Israeli Boy's vision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZd53ynuyrg

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    1. Hi there "Superlative". If you look under the YouTube video that you linked to, I made a comment there explaining that I don't think Nathan's Visions of Heaven, and of the coming War of Gog and Magog are going to come true as he describes. I also included a link back to this article above.

      Also, for your information, if you go anywhere north or south of Israel far enough to go to the other side of the Earth, you will not only run through Alaska, but right alongside Hawaii, where President Obama supposedly hails from.

      The trouble is, Obama was not born there. In fact, he was either born in Africa or Indonesia, not the USA, so Hawaii is really not his birthplace. Furthermore, the King of the North that is directly tied to the land once known as Magog is Putin in Russia, not Obama in the USA, who is more directly connected to the King of the South. I explained this in the following article on my blog that I linked to below:

      WHY RUSSIA IS MAGOG, AND PUTIN
      MAY BE THE KING OF THE NORTH
      http://pillarofenoch.blogspot.com/2015/12/why-russia-is-magog-and-may-also-be.html

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  7. I can see you are a deceiver, saying that Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity is not biblical Christianity and your shit is. These two Churches you blatantly are denying are the only instituted by Jesus Himself. The Messiah is on the world, He never left us as He promised. He is in the Holy Eucharist, which you followers of luther and others inspired by the demons will not acknowledge, this why the boys says many know Him. The distorter of truth like yourself will be surprised, surprised. The war already started as he said, and Obama did start the war by paying and arm mercenaries to top over the Syrian president, the assassination of the Libya president, the assassination of the Egipt president, the ousting and revolution in Ukraine and other places. The reason he encountered rabbis as judges is because Jews live by the law, by the law they will be judged. Everything we do here will be shown to us when we die. Natan is not the first one to see his life pass in front of him, god and bad and to be judged according to the weight of good and evil. False prophets like you are deceiving many toward their damnation.

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  8. I guess you will not approve my comment for it does not agree with you in any perspective

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    1. When people make comments that are not tinged with hate, disrespect and anger, I generally do publish them on my blog, even if I don't agree with them, and I also answer them. But your previous comment was not at all friendly or inquiring. So no, I don't usually publish comments like that, or even bother to answer them. But I will post it here now so that I can answer you publicly, and tell you what I think.

      First of all, I'd like to make something perfectly clear. Last I checked, I lived in a nation that guarantees freedom of speech and religion. Sadly, however, this right is being threatened now by demonic forces that have infiltrated this nation, and are attempting to destroy it. But until these privileges are fully removed, I reserve the right to exercise what the US Constitution guarantees to all citizens of the USA. So I have a right to be a Protestant, and I also have a right to state why I left the Roman Catholic Church.

      Secondly, you are wrong about my beliefs. I do, in fact, believe that Obama has done his best to start World War III by his actions in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, in supplying ISIS with American weapons and training, and in backing the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, and all Radical Muslims that were behind the riots that brought down many regimes that had brought a stabilizing influence to the Middle East. Sadly, this led to the Arab "Spring", which was not a breath of fresh air - as is incorrectly implied by the name - but a wicked movement fed by Radical Muslim extremists that hate all Jews and Christians, and even hates all Muslims if they harbor a desire for the support and preservation of democratic ideals like intellectual and spiritual freedom, and racial equality.

      As for your accusation that Protestants are not right with God either, I would tend to agree that there is much apostasy in every Church throughout the world, and there is no perfect Church. But having been raised as a Roman Catholic, and having left that Church and never looked back in my early 20's, I can see clearly now, after becoming a born-again believer of the Protestant and Messianic Jewish variety, that the Roman Catholic Church is indeed the Woman who rides the Beast in the Book of Revelation.

      Sadly, however, the Orthodox Churches also do much to displease God with their icons, priesthood and priestly sacraments, and focus on ritual rather than on preaching the true Word of God in the Bible. The reason I say this is because the New Testament tells us that every born-again believer is a priest, and a member of the nobility. In fact, it tells us that believers earn the right to be priests and rulers with Christ when they accept Christ's blood sacrifice for their sins, and they have great faith in, and an abiding love for Christ.

      For a very well done book that pinpoints the label of the Woman who rides the Beast squarely on the shoulders of the Roman Pontiff and the Vatican, please procure a copy of the book "A Woman Rides The Beast" by Dave Hunt, read it and pray about it.

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Shalom! Feel free to comment, but please be respectful. God bless!